les monnaies anépigraphes pour les vicennales de Constantin Ier à Trèves

je reprend ce qui est écrit dans le Zschucke.

A l'occasion des Vicennales de Constantin Ier,
Constantin vainqueur de la maison de Licinius
et pour les Festivités à Trèves le 25 juillet 326 ap JC.

Auguste : Constantin Ier
Césars : Crispus, Constantin II et Constance II.



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http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-25566.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-251.htm
(l'image est déformé dans la base)


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-245.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-25585.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-7193.htm


http://www.forumancientcoins.com/notinric/7tri-488.html


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-23713.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-23712.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-23711.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-23710.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-8998.htm


http://www.numisology.com/Treveri.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-25515.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-25370.htm


http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-10195.htm

Je passe en post-it

merci Pyl  

Merci

et maintenant que je regarde les photos et le tableau
je remarque qu'il manque des monnaies dans le tableau de Zschucke.
le plus criant est celui de Constance II de AEGEAN NUMISMATICS qui brille par son absence.

un autre exemple d'hybride / Imitation de Constantine

vendu vcoins avec cette description:

An interesting coin. Clearly an example from the issue recorded in RIC from 485 to 491. The reverse is of Constantine the Great although it has a star rather than a wreath above the legend. The obverse bust appears to be one of his sons, although not necessarily Constantine junior as recorded for RIC 487 (R5). The note in RIC suggests the reference coin, in the Paris Cabinet, is a hybrid. It has not been possible to examine the Paris example but the other two examples known to me are both an obverse and reverse die match for the coin offered here. Zschuche does not publish this variant in "Die Bronze-Teilstuck-Pragungen der romischen Munztatte Trier". An examination of Zschche's plate, however, suggests that the portrait is more likely to be Crispus or Constantius. A rare type probably struck from a single reverse die and not a straightforward hybrid as the CONSTAN/TINVS/AVG legend is not otherwise known with a star above, always a wreath. It is quite probably a contemporary unofficial version of the official Trier products.



http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/hookmoor/75/product/very_unusual_constantine_fraction_from_trier_c_ad_326/405025/Default.aspx

ZSCHUCKE 15.3a

Belles rares monnaies que je découvre. Bravo pour l'étude et la présentation!

  
Je n'avais jamais vu ces monnaies sans représentation au revers ..... Uniquement du texte !...
   pour ce cours magistral ....
Ce que je trouve particulièrement intéressant est la calligraphie qui change d'une monnaie à l'autre .... les lettres d'imprimerie (si je puis m'exprimer ainsi, l'imprimerie n'étant pas encore inventée ...) ne sont pas calligraphiées de la même manière, d'une monnaie à l'autre ...
Pour le reste, mes connaissances en histoire de Rome se cantonnent à ce que j'ai lu dans Astérix et Obélix !...    
Bonne nuit ..

J'aime beaucoup ce genre de monnaies et il faudra bien que je me trouve celle de Constantin Ier   

Girus79 a écrit:J'aime beaucoup ce genre de monnaies et il faudra bien que je me trouve celle de Constantin Ier   

Elle n'ont été frappées que pour ces 4 personnages ?
  - Crispus
  - Constantin I et II
  - Constance II

Mine de rien ça commence à en faire.
Ces petites sortent vraiment de l'ordinaire

Deux que j'ai laissé passer et que je regrette à près coup

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/191609070437?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/201377139070?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

PYL a écrit:Deux que j'ai laissé passer et que je regrette à près coup

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/191609070437?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

pas authentique?

Oui, la première est a priori fausse (moulée) et sort probalement du même moule que celle-ci : http://www.nummus-bible-database.com/monnaie-25610.htm

Effectivement.
Bien vu.

Merci, je vais modifier la fiche, le RIC.485 1ere officine vas redevenir une "photographie recherchée"

Je suis impressionné

Bonjour! Excusez-moi, je dois écrire en anglais.

The anepigraphic coins (actually they are not coins but small medallions) from Trier are not common. I have just published a paper including a table of all examples known to me (the two relevant pages are attached below). Only 96 authentic specimens. But in addition, there are hundreds of near-contemporary imitations. I attach images from my database showing the different types copying Trier.

Zschucke was exceptionally good, and he was the first to understand that the anepigraphic medallettes were produced along Constantine's vicennial journey, and for Trier, which he did not visit on the journey, he delegated the production to Crispus. But Zschucke did not distinguish between official examples and the later "barbarous" imitations.

I think I may have to split the images into two messages.

If you wrote your text on academia (or other) you can put the link directly here

More images:

elagabale2000 a écrit:If you wrote your text on academia (or other) you can put the link directly here

Thank you. The paper in Numismatic Chronicle is published but I must wait one year to put it online, so I only give the two relevant pages.

The photos of Trier anepigraphic imitations are from my (as yet) unpublished work.

Thank you for all this work. Could you please insert larger images ? I’m having a hard time seeing them

elagabale2000 a écrit:Thank you for all this work. Could you please insert larger images ? I’m having a hard time seeing them

The images of the specimens are just to show how many specimens there are. Larger images showing all examples get too large to post. I can post larger images of parts of the material. Please let me know if there are any types you are interested in and I will try to post those.

Lars Ramskold a écrit:

Hi Lars

Congratulation for your work !

You write:


I read elsewhere that Crispus actually joined Constantine in 325 in Nicomedia for the first celebration of vicennalia: it might be the reason why Crispus had time to hobnob with Fausta there. Then came the family drama. Crispus escaped from Nicomedia (or he got banned from there) and he died before the celebration in Rome.

Here is what Victor Clark wrote (but not clearly citing his source): http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/soap/

Hello Zafeu!

As far as I know, there are no ancient sources stating that Crispus was in Nicomedia for the initial vicennial celebrations. But of course he could have been there. If so, he would not have stayed there until March next year (when Constantine. and the court and the rest of the family left Nicomedia for Rome). Crispus was responsible for the security of the west, and he would have been in Trier most of the time. Without sources we can only guess that Crispus spent the first half of 326 in Trier and left to join Constantine sometime before the court was approaching Rome.

Congratulations for this great study, Lars !
And thank you for sharing it with us.
It is very interesting